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    Default Two BUNDs with Lemania cal. 5100

    Hi everyone!

    Here are a couple of photos of my two BUNDs as promised to Jon...

    The Tutima has a later dial on it (typical for factory serviced pieces) but i intend to send it over to the factory for a complete refurbishment (along with an original early dial that i managed to source...). The watch came without bracelet on a 'EULIT' Bund strap, no box or papers.
    Serial number on this piece is very close to the watch that Klaus Flade wore on the Soyuz TM-14 MIR mission of March 1992.





    The Orfina/PD Black PVD 'BUND' is a 'double NSN' example (the -8642 NSN replaced the -1763 right after the Arctos BUNDs started being issued around 1982) which probably spent most of its combat time gathering dust in a 'Bundeswehr' warehouse. It came complete with box, papers and an unused Bund strap.







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    Great watches. Thanks for sharing!

    Can I play?


    Since we're going by pairs, here's mine...

    Arctos Bund




    Orfina Porsche Design (like yours a double NSN)

    Last edited by Pascal S; 06-04-2010 at 23:04.

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    Dear Pascal,

    at last the time has come to meet you (in the virtual world at least)!

    It is indeed an honour to a humble Lemania collector just like me...

    Needless to say that i have a photo of your collection in my screen (ruthlessly stolen from the net of course) which i look at every night while thinking ''Maybe one day..."

    Your watches are fabulous (as always i'm afraid) but i have to admit that i have a soft spot for the Arctos...

    By the way did you see the LMC with the same case that went off on Ebay?

    I nearly pressed the button on that one but the recent Orfina purchase did not allow much room for movement i'm afraid...

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    Nice Bunds

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    Quote Originally Posted by X vintage View Post
    Dear Pascal,

    at last the time has come to meet you (in the virtual world at least)!
    I'm not that hard to find, though I've not been very active on watch fora lately. I've been hard-hit by the economic downturn, and I'm more into downsizing than anything else as far as my collection is concerned. A pity, but there are some treasures that nobody will be able to pry off my fingers!

    Quote Originally Posted by X vintage View Post
    It is indeed an honour to a humble Lemania collector just like me...
    I'm an humble Lemania collector as well. I've been at it for a while, that's all...

    Quote Originally Posted by X vintage View Post
    Needless to say that i have a photo of your collection in my screen (ruthlessly stolen from the net of course) which i look at every night while thinking ''Maybe one day..."

    Your watches are fabulous (as always i'm afraid) but i have to admit that i have a soft spot for the Arctos...
    You know, it all started very simply. A Sinn 157, which was supposed to be THE Lemania 5100 watch in my small collection, was quickly followed by a Lemania branded chronograph. And other watches appeared, broadening my horizons and depleting my finances at the same time. A pretty common story around here...

    Quote Originally Posted by X vintage View Post
    By the way did you see the LMC with the same case that went off on Ebay?

    I nearly pressed the button on that one but the recent Orfina purchase did not allow much room for movement i'm afraid...
    I was following the auction as well. Those watches, probably made by Lemania directly and sold through a local agent, were issued to Spanish Air Force pilots. The dial is very distinctive. But while this example seemed okay, the same seller also has a few very scary franken-5100s for sale. I'm not too fond of people playing Lego with watch parts and trying to pass their put-togethers for the real thing...

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    Funny to say but i myself am also hit hard by this so called crisis, being virtually with no steady job for 18 months now, another guy that fell into the jaws of ''corporate downsizing''

    I am adamant in not selling my pieces as well!

    Agree 100% with you about the specific seller, i was about to contact him on his outrageous BUND and the other ''NOS'' Franken...
    It appears that the guy somehow got himself a lot of Lemania parts and decided to ''resume production'' somewhere in the dark basement of his Medieval castle!!!

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    Hello and welcome to the forum.
    Nice Lemania pair there, I only have the one Bund, a Tengler, but between us we are close to a full set of 5100 Bunds



    Like the Old-style Tutima, very cool.

    However, I would like to ask a bit more about the Flade connection (I am writing another post on this topic).

    I have seen an auction listing from Flade's crew-mate (Viktorenko) claiming that he wore his Tutima on board Mir, but photographs only show his other watch, a Sinn, when in space. Have you got a bit more corroborative information (other than the auction provenance listing published in a Japanese language military watches book). Your photos are above a magazine - a few more details from the article would be very cool.

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    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Hi Dave and thanks for a warm welcome!

    I really do like your Tengler, what a pretty & rare piece...

    The magazine pictured is the Tutima magazine from February 2006 which has a full report on Flade's Tutima. This watch with serial number 602414 was worn by Flade (don't forget that he was a Luftwaffe pilot so issued with a Tutima by the way) and on board the MIR it was exchanged with the watch that fellow cosmonaut Anatoly Artsebarsky wore.

    Artsebarsky later auctioned the watch (it bears his signature and the date 27.03.92 on its BUND strap) in the October 2001 'Space Memorabilia Auction' while verifying the above facts with a handwritten letter.

    I do have the Japanese book that you referred to as well and it also has the text from the auction which i mentioned...

    As far as the Sinn is concerned, this watch was most probably a 'sponsored' watch from Helmut Sinn as i have seen the 'post card' that Flade himself sent to Helmut Sinn to thank him for providing the watch.

    Hope that helped...

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    I had asked myself questions about that as well.

    The thing is that while we have photographic evidence of his Sinn 142 worn in space, I have yet to see a picture of Flade's Tutima on his wrist. I'm certainly not saying that the information is false, but it is undoubtedly open to questions...



    I have no doubt that the auctioned watch was Flade's issued chronograph. What I am wondering is whether the exchange really took place during the Mir flight, or if it happened at another point during training. Unless proven otherwise, I'm not fully convinced that Flade was allowed to carry two personal timepieces in space when weight is at such a premium.

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    Pascal,

    although weight is indeed a matter of great consideration regarding space missions, i wouldn't be surprised at all if Flade wore two watches as it is something rather frequent in space flights.

    I remind you of at least two such cases: David Scott in Apollo 15 (both his Speedie and Waltham with Valjoux 7736) and Jack Swigert in Apollo 13 (both Speedie and Rolex).

    And because Flade was a Luftwaffe fighter pilot himself, it is rather more possible in my humble opinion that he had the Tutima as his normal ('issued') timepiece and the Sinn as the sponsored one.

    Most photos that i've seen myself do highlight on the Sinn but let's not forget the publicity which was generated after this mission and was finally put in good use by Sinn itself.

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