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    Default Zlatoust Kampschwimmer

    This monster diver made its debut at the Bristol GTG.



    Several people asked if it was a Panerai. It is a Soviet Zlatoust combat diver's watch dating to 1972. Although usually described as a "hard hat" diver's watch, I am not so sure - Peter from Bremont reckoned that the flat glass would prohibit diving as deep as the depth gauge would suggest but who knows? The NVA Kampschwimmers, (as described in my recent post about my Ruhla), used them too...



    The movement (as Rocco found) is removed by unscrewing the top case - there is a rubber O-ring underneath - then the two small screws on the dial. It is a converted pocket watch (caliber 191yC), 15 jewels, mono-metallic balance with screws, Breguet balance spring, brass lever and wheels, average deviation 20C (+/-5C) within +/- 1 minute per day.



    The case is stainless steel with a wonderful canteen crown. Diameter is a whopping 60mm, 80mm with the crown (!), height 15mm, weight 280 gms (over half a lb).

    There is a photo of this kit on p.488 of Konrad Knirim's excellent book on German military timepieces (the NVA used them too), taken of the equipment on display in the Dresden Military Museum, so it must be rare.



    These are considered a "landmark" or possbly even a "grail" watch on the Russian forums. Although some of the serious collectors have them, none have the compass and depth gauge as far as I know and this one even has the original box and instructions.

    It is not radioactive - contrary to popular belief the Russians stopped using radium long before the West.

    I bought this off a French fireman who travelled to Murmansk in '92, after the wall came down. During the Cold War Murmansk was a centre of Soviet submarine activity and since the breakup of the Soviet Union, remains the headquarters of the Russian Northern Fleet.



    He had heard that the Russians were not paying their servicemen, who were selling their kit just to survive. He packed up his family and headed off to the Soviet port to see what he could find and was rewarded with two very rare Russian dive watches plus the compass and depth gauge, which he bought off a couple of Polish sailors.

    (The other dive watch is even rarer and fills what has been described as a "black hole" in Zlatoust's history - none of the serious collectors have even seen the other one which I will post here later this week).

    So next time someone goes on about Monster dive watches, don't even think about mentioning S**k*!

    Regards

    Jon'.

    P.S. The first and fourth photos above are the seller's pictures of my kit - I'm hoping that either Al' or Mat will take some photos of all my recent acquisitions for me (another two today)!

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    Default Sorry...

    I didn't end up taking too many shots on Thursday - too busy gassing. I tried on your Zlatoust tho - I can still see the red, inflamed, blistered skin where my skin absorbed God-knows how many μCi of radium isotope 226Ra...

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    Here is a badge for the "underwater commandos"...



    Note that it does not show a "hard hat" diver. I suspect that the Zlatousts were worn by both the combat divers (see the photo of the NVA Kampschwimmers in my first post on this thread) and the "hard hat" divers too. I thought that you might enjoy these photos of the rest of the diver's kit...











    These old-fashioned copper "hard-hat" diving helmets were originally constructed for the Russian Navy Special Forces, who required protection from the extraordinary pressure (up to 7 atmospheres) incurred on extreme-depth dives of 200'. It has front and dual side windows with rubber gaskets and brass frames. Approximately 19" high and 44" in circumference. Weighs a massive 32lbs. Three 1" diameter bolts connect the helmet to the 58" circumference neck/shoulder mounting platform. It dates from 1985.

    Here's the boots...



    ...and some weights...



    ...and a clinometer...





    ...and a suit...



    ...and two types of knives...













    ...the badge on the handle in the last photo is rather neat.

    Regards

    Jon'.
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    If you can find yourself one of these (SPP-1 (Spetsialnyj Podvodnyj Pistolet = Special Underwater Pistol) , you can have you're own little PDSS Unit (Противо-Диверсионные Силы и Средства, Protivo-Diversionnyye Sily i Sredstva = Anti-diversionary forces and means)


    Operation Delfin, perhaps?

    I hear they used to train to kill the US anti-frogmen dolphins... :tinfoilhat:

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    Default Hope he has no regrets!

    Hope the seller didn't have any regrets and he has good reason to sell such pieces!

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    Looks like one of these...

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    I'll see your Zlatoust and raise you a.. a... actual it appears you can't top the 60mm diver..Lol!










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    Awesome watch Al. You can be just like Arnold Schwarzeneggar!



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    Excellent looking example Al' - bet the kids loved it, especially since the Terminator wears one?!

    Regards

    Jon'.

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    Joining the club...



    But I can't wear it ! It's too huge for my 6.5" wrist. Maybe I can wear it outside my sweater or something
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