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    Default Just stumbled across another beauty (SAAF Lemania)

    One for the Lemania fans amongst us.



    This has just been sold over on mwr, link to sales post here:

    http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2078

    Can anyone tell me more about this model?

    Cheers,

    Gary

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    Well, not "just" sold, that post is 2 years old (I had to check, otherwise I'd have been kicking myself as the price is decidedly NOT what people want for them now).

    Someone was recently trying to sell one for 2600, then 2200 on Ebay UK - listing ended 30th July. Item 150357472981. I personally think that's too much, but so few reach the market that it is hard to tell. It didn't go, so he may still have it!!

    I am not sure I know much more than is on that posting.

    It is an issued South African Air Force Chronograph made by Lemania with the Lemania 5012 movement inside it (5012 is a slightly simplified 5100 but with a slower beat rate).

    They commissioned about 800 of them, and they look great. They date from the early 80s. The clarity of the dial is exceptional, especially with the extended minute indices from the dial onto the chapter ring and correspondingly onto the bezel.

    The bezel is a relatively soft alloy, so they do not wear well when in service.

    There are tales of quartermasters destroying them in large numbers when they were replaced by Seiko (I think) quartz models at the end of their service life.

    I even recall a story of someone doing some archeology and actually digging cases up out of the ground from a place where an ex-serviceman told him they were dumped.

    It is likely a couple of hundred survive.

    So, a very rare Lemania-made chronograph for the SAAF, and that one in very good nick.

    This model was never (as far as I know) released for civilian purchase.

    Does this help?

    D
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Sorry Dave I didn't see the date of the original post.

    Thanks for the extra info, I love the simplicity of this layout, obviously it's reminiscent of the Sinn EZM1 but with the added constant seconds sub dial. Amazing to think that they were destroyed in large numbers, I wonder how many other military watches suffered the same fate.

    Cheers,

    Gary

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    Gary
    Check out here

    http://saafwatches.blogspot.com/

    Doesn't add much on these, but shows you that the South Africans had good taste when it came to getting their fly boys' watches!

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    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Before they switched to quartz, the SAAF had a long story of working with Lemania for their issued watches. The model that was ordered before this one was similar to the one made for the Swedish Air Force, a two-register chrono powered by a calibre 1872.

    They are equally hard to find, probably for similar reasons.

    Edit: You're too fast, Dave!

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    One of my favourites - I am on the lookout for the RAAF version - looks the same but has a rather nice broad arrow on the dial - I can't quite recall but presumably it is in place of the word "Automatic".

    I think Chronomaster recently sold one too? It also had a chunk out of the bezel - is it particularly fragile Dave or just that they have a hard life?

    Regards

    Jon'.

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    Probably a bit of both. Those watches were hardly nannied by their users...

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    Makes sense, thanks Pascal.

    Regards

    Jon'.

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    Turned one down 3 years ago for 520 oops!
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    Pacal gets there first this time!

    I agree - a bit of both. It is alloy (like the Heuer Bund Bezel), so not nearly as beatable as steel. But some punishment was inevitable I think.

    I have only ever seen one reference to this watch being issued to the RAAF, on this MWR post that charts the range of the case used by Lemania

    http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24968

    Just checked out Chronomaster, and he has an SAAF on hold, looks like unenviable condition, with a replacement chrono-second hand.

    He also has a Lemania for the RAN (Oz Navy), but altogehter earlier, one of the asymmetric-cased ones. Those too are lovely.

    D
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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