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    Default Lemania 1872 SAAF

    I have recently found an 1872 SAAF that has me a bit puzzled. The first execution or ARROW dials should be older than the non arrow dials, yet this one is absolutely perfect and has a modern greenish tinge to the lume. If i compare the lume on the dial to the lume on the hands, they have aged very differently. Im puzzled as the movement has the correct serial number for SAAF and everything else seems to check out. I have other second execution, non arrow dialed versions and they all look fairly "aged" in comparison. Perhaps someone could shed some light on this. Thanks a mill

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    @matthewt ,

    Hey again, Hmm, oddly I have been on a journey with a collector friend. And I have only just started to try and define the serials number ranges. For the batches that Rikus has on his website.

    The piece on a whole looks fine. I find difficult to judge without holding the piece in daylight. It could simply be the piece that's hasn't as much fun fun fun in the sun sun.

    I don't know many of the early dials there should be or perceived to be...1st half? Batch 1 and 2? Only batch 1 but early. It's to early based on the 10-20 examples we have found over a week.

    On the whole it looks like a great example. Do you have any theories? Where on did you find so many. Do you prefer "early" or late dials

    Cheers
    pat

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    Hi Pat, thanks so much for your response. I think i know who your collector friend might be as i have also been chatting to him. I do know of another collector who has a few and have tabulated the serial info for reference. If you didnt get this from your friend, and we are talking about a different person, then please let me know and i will send to you. I have noticed that the movement numbers dont seem to make sense as older dials may have later movement numbers. Possibly these were serviced in batches and scattered on a table then re-assembled at random.............I have worked out that it was quite "normal" for SAAF pilots to "modify" their 5012's and paint the chrono second hand in red or day-glo yellow. Having been in the SA Army, there was always a culture of trying to be lightly different in a stricly uniform enviromnent, so when i saw these red and yellow hands i had a bit of a chuckle to myself.....Im away on holiday at the moment, so will respond with pics in a weeks time on my return. Thanks

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    I confess...it is I Glad to see you two have met.

    Regarding the lume : it is not uncommon for different parts to manufactured at different locations by different people. And depending on who mixed which lume, to thus have parts with different lume mixes and densities between dial and hands. And thus over many years, to have different aging/patination...hands go green, dial yellow or dial goes green and hands yellow. This I have seen with all manner of Omega from the 60ís/70ís (so same period of manufacture as this particular piece...and donít forget: Lemania made some Omegas under contract too, especially the early Speedies). And even on brand new Oris watches of today (no patination, just different application of hand/dial lume). And certainly others...there are too many watches out there (and not enough time) to take an academic interest in all.

    And itís as Pat said : perhaps just not enough fun in the sun. Your watch is very clean on the whole. No chipped paint on the hands near the stems, no dirty/mouldy lume anywhere. The bezel looks very clean (albeit ghosty) and the case from these few shots too.

    As to the parts theory : also viable. But maybe done very early on in life...

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    Thanks for your comprehensive and knowledgeable response, appreciate it.

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