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    Calling danomar...

    Does the Heuer Carrera 510.523 use the same case as the Lemania SAAF?

    What do you think - it looks like there is a bit of work on the top to accomodate the bezel but pretty much the same case?

    You can see a small depression to place the bezel that cuts into the side of the case slightly where they join -




    But otherwise it looks the same -











    Have you any 'belly-up' shots of your Carrera Daniel?

    The SAAF is 1980, I think the Heuer 510. Carrera was about 1983 onwards?

    Cheers all, welcome back Dave



    (Colour pic would you believe?!)

    Andy
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    Hi there Andy
    I think you are right, it is the same. The SAAF is not a totally unknown case, it was used for other Lemania watches. The most obvious one (with comparable shots of the carrera) is the world-timer that I first saw on Chuck mAddox's site a while back.

    Here is a composite shot from Calibre 11 on the Heuer - Lemania relationship (featuring a couple of my watches and a smattering of contribution from me)



    I know for a fact that the world-time bezel fits on the SAAF, I spotted one for sale a while back and saved the picture, it is a direct replacement for the original bezel.
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    Ah yes - I hadn't paid attention to that bit, I knew of the World Timer link with the SAAF but not the Carrera link with the World Timer.

    Incidently, I've seen the following described as a 'Lemania GMT', using the World Timer bezel (or countdown bezel as per the SAAF) but missing out the 24hr subdial at 12. I take it the 'World Timer' and 'GMT' were two separate models; can't say I've heard of anyone that has either:

    With what I presume are replacement hands (not necessarily after seeing your pics), but definitely a countdown bezel!


    ...and:



    (Both also 5012s as far as I can gather - with the 'World Timer' being a 5100?)).
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    Hello Andy-

    Sorry for the late reply. It's been a very busy week.

    Here are shots of my 510.523 Carrera:







    And here are some of an oft-overlooked relation, the Omega Seamaster 176.007:







    I think Dave hit all the salient points. The Lemania Carrera was produced most likely from 1982 to 1984 at the latest. It was one of the last Heuer designs before TAG took control. Indeed, my watch came with all white subdial hands, suggesting that it was an early production model: Later versions had an orange 12-hour register hand at 6 o'clock. I had mine replaced with an orange one because I think it looks better.

    If your SAF has the same case, then it must be a very comfortable watch to wear. I love wearing my Carrera and look forward to getting my Seamaster back from its restoration. Now I am even more envious of that little Lemania of yours!

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    Thanks for the pictures - obviously the same with a bit of milling for the bezel on the Lemanias then.

    The Omega is another connection I hadn't picked up on, that'd date the case from 1974 to 1984 then; unless anyone thinks otherwise?

    I assume it is a Lemania designed case, shared between all three companies at their convergences in history; Omega, SSIH Lemania/Nouvelle Lemania and Heuer. Cool. I've just come to appreciate another aspect of it a little better. Sorry if everyone knew this already!

    It is actually very comfortable, I'd always liked the way the lugs seemed a part of the case as well, very solid and smooth. There's a lot I like about this one though, pretty much everything I think...


    Anyway, should be getting a Heuer myself in a few weeks, a 510.501, my second set of orange hands though!

    Cheers,
    Andy

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    The Omega connection had totally slipped my mind too. Doh!!
    So most likey an Omega case, to my mind, that they opened up to the other members of SSIH when they were done with the 176.007. I think those dates fit almost nose to tail, don't they, as the Heuer and the SAAF are definitely '80's models, using the 5100 and 5012, whereas Omega used the 1040 from 1971 to 1974 (in that case).

    The 5100 and the 1040 share pretty much all of their dimesions, as far as I know, so it should be a simple drop-in (with the addition of the bezel).

    Dave
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    Just for completeness here's an example of the RAAF Lemania and AMI Lemania World Time:

    RAAF:


    Issued at the same time as the SAAF and one I'd dearly like to have...

    AMI:


    I don't know much about this one at all, I presume it's an Italian Airforce issued model but can't find reference to it anywhere else except for one instance on MWR, from which, incidently, I lifted both these pics - courtesy of jatucker.

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    Hmmmmmm

    the AMI is a put-together, imho.

    Lemania did do an AMI, but it was in an identical case to the heuer AMI. Here is a post discussing another put-together that I referenced some genuine Lemania AMI photos.

    http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/s...ead.php?t=1577

    Here is one of the photos of the real thing



    The AMI you picture also uses later variant PD hands, with the triangular dart at the end of the chrono-minutes, and simple sticks for H and M, with H being square-ended, and M being pointed.

    I suspect this is another one emanating from a certain Israeli EB seller. Or from somewhere in Italy. But certainly not genuine as it stands.

    Such a shame. clealry all of the parts used are genuine to some pretty nice watches, they just don't belong together.

    Dave
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    Excellent, cheers Dave, good stuff - I'd not noticed the minute delta. No wonder I couldn't find it anywhere then...
    Like you say, a shame; these are all very new condition parts but just put together any old how.

    The RAAF one is nice, the last Lemania with a broadarrow on the dial? The case is nicely engraved on the back as well from what I remember.

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