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    hello! i have just recently joined this forum, the reason i join is because i have this lemania 105 watch and i have spent many hours on the internet trying to find its history. the watch is dated i think 1965 and has 3 sub dials and 2 push buttons, the movent has far has i can tell is the ch27 or 2310, the dial is silver in colour and has gold colour markers and has the numbers 12,3,6,9,the watch is also illuminous, its also has tachymetre on the edge of the dial starting with the number 70 in a anti clockwise direction to 700, the sub dials are seconds,minutes and hours, it says "t swiss t" underneath the 6 position, on the back cover its says "bbc 3098", its is also a manual wind up and it keep very good time, the closest i found to this watch is the 1964/65 omega seamaster, please can you tell me if you have heard of such a watch and maybe its history. the watch is also signed on the dial and the movement and on the crown with the lemania logo, many thanks pete!

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    Hi
    I moved this post into its own subject, so that we can consider it separately from the lemania picture archive, where you originally put it.

    Sounds an interesting watch. The 2310 (as you probably know) is the CH27 12, also used by Omega and designated the 321 caliber by them.

    Photos would really help, if you can get us some, or take any. I will post them if you send them to me (send me a PM for an e-mail address).

    I am a little confused by the 12, 3, 6, 9, as the 3, 6 and 9 at least are usually obscured by the sub-dials of the chronograph, in fact those numerals are often the only ones missing! Like this one


    Thanks to Farfo for the image

    As to the markings, it is highly likely that this was an issued BBC (that's British Broadcasting Corporation, just like you may think) chronograph, for use by programme makers.

    We have discussed at least two such chronographs here on ATG, both Lemania-made, and both from about the same period as you mention, but more likely later on.

    Here is an image of one of the other ones (sorry, poor quality)



    This one was BBC 4930

    I look forward to hearing from you, as your description has got me curious.

    Dave
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    hi! many thanks for replying to my post, i will photograph my watch and post the pictures asap, the picture you posted is very similar but different, could the number on the back be a limited edition?? i have seen this number on pocket watches too, i confused you i think about the number 12 on the watch, what i was trying to say is that the only numbers on the dial its self is 3,6,9 obscured by the 3 sub dials and 12 clearly visible, the rest of the numbers are just gold coloured lines. i think its also a flyback but not sure,

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    Well, the BBC and number has been found on watches and stopwatches, not, to my knowledge, on pocket watches. I do not think it refers to a limited edition from the factory, the script is usually engraved in the classic pantograph style, rather than being stamped in, the usual preference of a manufacturer.

    Is 12 really the only visible number?

    Finally, I doubt the flyback feature. It is possible, bt not a usual complication of this movement. It is relatively easy to check of course, by pressing the reset button (at the 4 o'clock position) when the chronograph is running, rather than stopped. If it flies back to zero and keeps counting, that's flyback. If not, it isn't.

    I am looking forward to pictures.....

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    hi dave! here are some pictures of my watch, i hope you can be able to tell me more about the watch from the pictures.

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    hi again, i been looking at lemania movements and now not sure which one it is, they all look alike to me, hope you can help me to identifi the movement in my watch, many thanks pete!

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    Thanks for the photos, what a lovely watch.

    Interesting. This may be a little over my pay grade.

    Your movement is clearly of the origins of a CH27 C12, later to become known as the 2310. The bridge, balance and many other features show this.

    However, there are essential differences, two of which seem to contain parts from the later 1873.

    The earlier model has a column wheel for chrono engagement, yours has a shuttle cam, from the later movement.

    Also, the reset lever is of identical design to the 1873 and not the 2310.

    Finally, the retainer for the intermediate gear is different to most, seeming to be made of a folded plate rather than a thicker piece of solid material.

    Look here

    http://www.chronomaddox.com/moonwatc...ackground.html

    For a comparison of the two, and you will see the similarities with each.

    I can only suggest that it is somehow transitional. The latter movement was based on the former, so there is bound to be some degree of inter-compatibility.

    I would also rule out the use of spares from the later movement on the earlier one, both are available, so why make the change? I think this is original (the movement certainly looks in good nick).

    So, this would also help with the date, which would put it at the trasition between the two movements, very later 60s or so, I would guess.

    The BBC engraving is identical to the BBC chronographs we have seen, I am sure this was used by programme makers.

    I am also interested that at some stage someone has seen fit to remove a code or number from inside the caseback (the lozenge-shaped flat recessed section. It seems odd, and I can't think why at present.

    This case type, as you rightly say, was used by Omega, but earlier than the late 60s, by then the seamaster chronos had more taper to the lugs (starting wider at the case).

    An intersting watch, no doubt.

    May I ask how you came to get it?

    Also, any answer on the flyback feature?

    Dave
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    Got it.

    It is a Lemania 1281 - the missing link

    Look here

    http://www.chronocentric.com/forums/...=read;id=10877

    For info needed by Chuck - a rare movement indeed - he reckons only Tissot used it.

    Also

    At the bottom of this page

    http://mob.watchprosite.com/show-for...ti-653101/s-0/

    There are a lot of photos of the internals of a gold Tissot Chrono. They match your movement completely, including the different intermediate retainer.

    Dave
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    Bloody hell - well spotted Dave

    Dave:


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    hi dave many thanks for looking for its history, not sure about it being a flyback or not, when i start the stopwatch its goes and when i press the button at 2oclock it stops, then i press the button at 4oclock and it resets its self back to 12 oclock but i think it may need some small attention because sometimes it does not reset it self nor does the sub dials, i found the watch many years ago has i was walking home from work one day, i cant really recall when and where exactly, i just picked it up and took it home, i never gave it a thought about handing it in to the police station i was only young then and some what niaeve, my mum had it amongst her possions for all then years and i totally forgot all about it, then my dad passed away last year and my mum gave me his gmt master rolex watch which is dated jan 1960 and the one i found years ago. have you seen a lemania like this one before and would you say it a good asset to hold on to?? also is it a rare timepiece with that 1281movement?

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