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    Hello Lemaniacs-

    If you have not already seen the eBay auction for this, then here it is: http://tinyurl.com/2b3dsrl



    I plan to bid very high on this, probably more than it is worth, but this is one of two Lemania-branded chronographs I have been seeking. Okay, one of three. No, four... This is just a fair warning: I want to avoid bidding against other ATG-ers for sake of courtesy. Of course, if you want it more than I, go for it.

    As far as I can tell, it is all correct. The dealer has an excellent reputation, too. If anyone (Dave?) can spot something wrong please do tell.

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    Bon chance!

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    Hi there

    Certainly a pristine looking example.

    However, I remain unconvinced as to its genuine nature, even if it is a very pleasing watch to look at.

    A couple of pointers.

    First up, Porsche Design hands. This is a Cortina case (though not original to Heuer and used by others).

    However, PD hands (the simple sticks and the triangular dart on the chrono-minutes) are not really known outside PD watches, except for one very hotly contested Heuer about which there were many arguments on OtD and Vetroplastica, a while back.

    The arguments remained unresolved.

    This isn't all.

    The caseback has what looks suspiciously like a Heuer Reference on it, 510.514. Heuer never made a watch with this reference, but the Cortina, at 510.513 is closest, and the position is identical to the one Heuer used. To my knowledge Lemania never adopted this numeration, and it makes me think.

    I am not totally convinced by the way that the dial second markers do not meet the tachymetre chapter ring. Look at Pascal's example by comparison, no gaps here.



    I am also not too sure about white on black day and date with this dial, but that is just a feeling, no evidence to present.

    Lastly, the movement.

    If this watch were contemporaneous with the Cortina, I would have expected the movement designation and serial to be on one of the recessed medallions, like this



    However, the code is moved next to the balance wheel, and the serial number on the auto winding bridge, like this. I therefore think it is a much newer movement than case.



    Now, I cannot make out the serial on the movement in question, but I can probably give you a rough idea of movement date if I could have that number.

    So, in summary.

    Lemania definitely made watches in that case.

    It is surely a Lemania dial and movement.

    However, I suspect that it is an assemblage of parts.

    That doesn't detract from it as a watch, it is clearly a very nice one.

    But from my perspective, I would stear clear of paying top dollar for it.

    And as ever, these are my opinions based on my web research over the recent years. If someone can provide my with any other evidence or thoughts to change or reinforce them, I am open to all suggestions.

    I am only too conscious that, unlike the major brands like Omega, Heuer Rolex and so forth, there is little or no documentary evidence as to what watches Lemania produced and sold within the mainland continental market.

    So, good luck with whatever you decide, and good luck with the bidding too

    All the best

    Dave
    Last edited by DaveS; 13-10-2010 at 07:31.
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Once again, Dave comes through.

    I was a little worried about the central hour and minute hands, but I figured maybe it was an oddity for this dial. I did not think about them being PD hands. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I have never seen them on an authentic watch other than PD 's. The small dart-style central chronograph minutes hand I have seen on a few of what I thought were authentic Lemanias, but again, something to think about.

    Your observation about the serial number being in a recessed medallion has some merit, but then again, it is conceivable that Lemania took an old ébauche and stuck it into a newer case.

    It is the serial number on the back that worries me. I only glanced at it at first. You are correct, this is very much a Heuer-style model number and no, Lemania never used that style to my knowledge.

    Shame, really. I love the dial and layout. Then again, I already own three similarly-cased Lemania-powered watches, so maybe I should diversify...

    But that dial is nice, isn't it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danomar View Post

    Your observation about the serial number being in a recessed medallion has some merit, but then again, it is conceivable that Lemania took an old ébauche and stuck it into a newer case.
    Hi
    Glad to help.
    I have editted my previous post to clarify a little, but I thin it is a the other way round. I think this is a newer movement in an older case design.

    Having said that, I recalled something else and did a bit of a search. It is clear that Lemania were using the case for a limited edition at least in 1993, from the Vallee de Joux Chronograph found by Chuck Maddox



    This one always gave me a wry smile, Lemania produced the chronograph for the Football club of Vallee de Joux, the very home of Valjoux (which is an aglomerated word from the Vallee de Joux)!

    The club member who organised this certainly had an eye for irony.

    Anyway, glad to help, anytime.

    Dave
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Great stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveS View Post
    Hi
    Glad to help.
    I have editted my previous post to clarify a little, but I thin it is a the other way round. I think this is a newer movement in an older case design.

    Having said that, I recalled something else and did a bit of a search. It is clear that Lemania were using the case for a limited edition at least in 1993, from the Vallee de Joux Chronograph found by Chuck Maddox



    This one always gave me a wry smile, Lemania produced the chronograph for the Football club of Vallee de Joux, the very home of Valjoux (which is an aglomerated word from the Vallee de Joux)!

    The club member who organised this certainly had an eye for irony.

    Anyway, glad to help, anytime.

    Dave
    That's a nice story! Had not read this one before!


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