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    OK you ATG watch experts, collectors, and enthusiasts--What is the ultimate aviator's watch? I know everyone at ATG loves Bremont, and not everyone can say the Rolex GMT. Breitling has many, but they advertise it into our brains. What others are out there? Can be vintage or new. Quartz or mechanical. Just has to have an aviation feel to it. I need a new watch for my wish list. This type of thread may have been run before, but I've not seen it.

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    This one could go all week. Let me think about it... (I'll delete the sales post one)

    I would tend to say the most reliable... historically would it be the 806 Navitimer (the original) of the Omega Speedmaster however, as they are manual I would probably go with my Bremont, as it has been by far the most reliable pilot watch I have owned.

    Maybe my 5513 Submariner or my Rolex GMT was pretty close too!

    I'll post a full list of the ones I have owned but Rich if you look through the galleries virtually all of the true aviator watches are there... maybe a Czech Longines although there should be the Lemania version in military watches.. have a look, I'll add over the weekend.

    The IWC you have could be said to be or the Big pilot but I think they lack a bit of soul!

    So what are they? F15 Eagle, A10 Warthog, P-51 Mustang and a F-18 Hornet?






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    I think the vintage WW2 German Hanhart/Tutima are the greatest Aviator watches ever made and that pains me being British LOL

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    It's hard to judge just on pictures, as great as they are. I was looking also for some opinions, history, and specific functions or styles your forum members like in an aviator watch. Also how they feel on the wrist, size, etc. I think my favorite in my modest collection is a 1985 Tag Heuer Automatic Pilot Specialist (all markings except the dial say only Heuer). Just like the look and feel of it. It's not the most expensive nor "legendary", but a good pilot watch. So come on...what others?


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    Dude, 00.38 here and I just got woken by the wind... I re inserted your pick but you should load them in a gallery, takes maybe 10 ins to load 20 shots then you got them for good.

    Anyway, it's a good question and this is a good place to get an answer... I will address this question over the weekend and give my ATG 'guns'.

    Meanwhile, as a non pilot it would be interesting to know what a modern pilot flying the most modern of aircraft uses a watch for...?

    what are his needs...?

    are you thinking of buying vintage or just supposing?
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    I'd think that the Breitling has to be up there somewhere. Chronomat is a classic, and the B1 seems to mix the old and the new quite successfully. You've covered the emergency already.

    Down the pecking order and in the more accessible box, Seiko have obviously been quite popular with pilots for some time. Having supplied a few watches to the RAF, they moved into the domestic market with their slide rule chronos, and have produced mechanical and ani-digital versions.

    Alternatively, if we're really getting into wrist instruments, Suunto X9M/X10? Gets you backup GPS, altimeter, compass. But no chrono.

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    I think the X-33 has to be on the list, here is mine with with the US aviator case back engraving. For pilots and astronauts,






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    Alistair--I will look at posting to a gallery. By the way, you got all the jets right except for the F-16 (vs F-18).

    When I was flying the F-15, I needed my watch to hold a perfect time hack. That was probably the most important. I actually used a Casio G-Shock with atomic clock updates. All the pilots in a formation needed to set the jet's internal clock to exactly the same time for missile shot comparisons, etc. I also needed a good backlight or lume hands for night flying. A chronograph for short duration timing of events was also important. The slide rules and such on aviator watches I never used. They just look cool. The X-33's mission timer is a nice feature, for flight duration and logging time. The Breitling Emergency transmitter function is unique, but there's a much stronger beacon in the parachute harness, so not sure that I would ever trash my watch unless I knew the harness beacon wasn't working. I also needed the watch to be tough. It would get slammed on the cockpit rails and different places in the cockpit--that's why I usually didn't wear a "nice" watch when flying combat training missions. But outside of actually flying, the most important feature is that it looks good with the flight suit sleeves rolled up in the bar telling stories. Fighter pilots usually like a big watch and use their hands to re-create a dogfight. We used to joke about "shooting the watch".

    Here 's a funny pilot watch joke. I don't think there are any kids on this site, since it is for adults:

    A fighter pilot walks into a pub after a day of flying and strikes a conversation with a beautiful woman seated at the bar. After several drinks and smooth conversation, the woman comments on his large complicated watch. He tells the woman, "that's a pilot's watch, and it can do much more than tell me the time." She says, "what else can it do?" He says, "it can tell me intimate details about women." The woman raises her eyebrows and says, "what does it tell you about me?" The pilot says, "it's telling me you aren't wearing any underwear." The woman laughs and says, "well, it's not correct, because I am wearing underwear." The pilot looks at the watch again, taps on it, and says, "darn it, the thing's running an hour fast."

    Look forward to more inputs. It may be a vintage pilot watch I would like to save for next.

    NEMO


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    To Flashharry--I am very impressed with the X-33. I just got one a week ago. I put some pictures of it on the post that Alistair started on what new watches people have aquired.

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    Default Right... I've had a think....

    OK, from what you have written it seems to me that the most perfect pilot watch is the Omega X - 33, I've owned one below and under that is an excellent review from a few years ago by a pilot.

    Well i think you have an X-33 for flying and you are certainly covered for the cool big pilot watch for bar chatting with your excellent IWC flieger and Bremont ALT1-Z so what you are really saying is what vintage watches are available to me and why right?

    Below is a large post of watches that I think you might like as your 'vintage piece' with a few words from the author... hope it helps...



    X-33 pilot review : http://www.timezone.com/library/coma...81530107424115



    The below pic is part of my collection about 4 years ago.. any one of those would do but they also give you an idea of size... the Monaco is slightly wider than the new one so you can work out sizes from that.

    Watches are; JLC fururematic (flirting with a dress watch), Universal Geneve SPace Compax, Heuer monaco cal.15, Zenith Diver - same as A. Caerelli Italian Airforce version 1968, Breitling Navitimer 806, Heuer Dato 45, Omega Seamaster




    806 Navitimer designed in conjunction with in America - The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (12 hour chrono manual wind 41mm)





    Omega Speedmaster 105.033 Version 3 or 4 Nasa Gemini Missions (manual wind) The late Chuck Maddox wrote a great article about it here: http://chronomaddox.com/35th.html





    Classic Moonwatch Omega Speedmaster .861 40mm manual wind (in my opinion this is the 'classic' vintage watch to own, whether you be pilot or not... funny I don't have one at the moment but I have owned about 15.. Lol!

    Go here to Chuck's index of articles, I've written a few goodies but Chuck was a master and has reviews and opinions of a whole host of cool chronographs, truly a prolific master who unfortunately died last year and will be sorely missed, some of the other collectors and are now hosting his legacy to keep the info free to air...

    http://chronomaddox.com/cm3articles....ga_Information







    Breguet one of the first producers of pilot watches and originally a French Aircraft company or something like that... very popular in Europe and much copied, Danger, Danger, large, manual 41mm




    Other good thing about Speedys is you can make them your own, another custom shot further down...





    If you want a very, very classic early pilot watch then look at one of these... made by a flying instruments company from the 30's onwards. This would be my choice for super authenticness..... 39mm manual and light (great presence and very cool)

    I have one and they come up on Ebay... I love this watch and wrote an article here about it... http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/showthread.php?t=3






    There is always the Heuer Bund, large and impressive, manual and light ... not much point me saying anything as DaveS wrote a great article comparing this watch to it's successor made by Sinn - they are still available from Sinn I believe and not that pricey..

    DaveS well written article is here: http://www.atgvintagewatches.com/Forum/tabid/56/view/topic/forumid/2/postid/10209/Default.aspx





    Sinn is large, 41mm auto 5100 movement





    Below is an early 80's Porsche design German Bund issue PVD chronograph, these are still available....... this is mine and having owned a few I am gonna keep this one.... auto, lemania 5100 heavy 40mm





    Benrus Skychief as worn by early 50's USAF pilots... not big 37mm silver dial version is 40mm and very rare but very impressive...





    Glycine Airman as worn by USAF pilots in the 60's inc. F4 Vietnam drivers... small- auto





    Hanhart WWII cool big watch, one of the rarest but rare mil watches get really messed with and this is one of the only watches I have ever made a loss on so be ware...





    Army Air Corps early purchase late 20's early 30's, Gallet Flying Officer, this one is small 34mm but they made a larger 38mm one too manual, light also used by Swiss Airforce in the 60's





    Hanhart Flyback Rattrapante early 50's.. 40mm manual, quite heavy for a manual, produced by the French who owned Hanhart after war in reparations, cool watch and very rare...





    British military issue watches from the 50's right and 60's left, manual single button, 38mm and relatively cheap, come up on the bay regularly... RAF, Naval Flyers used them along with other versions





    Universal Geneve Compax... one of 'the' first ever producers of wrist chronographs,
    made chronos from early 20's onwards, worn by elite of Europe and just incredibly well made... Dave J in AUS got this one... very special.. manual, light and 37mm





    So Rich, here is my take on the pilot watch, it's a big question and I hope I have provided some mussings for you... read the posts RE. vintage watches as the 'source is all there'.

    Sorry for banging on about the galleries but I bought them for you guys to use....and there are loads of other pilot watches in the galleries that I will have missed, some of the info here is a little anecdotal so don't hold me to all of it... just a distilled taste eh?

    If you need any other steer let me know....?
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