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    There's a lot to answer on this thread.

    Dan - those KM Hanharts are interesting. Al's right as usual about the eagles usually being polished off after the war but for some reason all of these KMs seem to be the exception - I've seen half a dozen and every one has these same markings. The dials all have the red telemeter markings on the dial too. This others were all in exceptional condition with barely any brassing to the cases, crown and pushers- I wonder why these U-boat captains' watches should have survived so well?

    The Ekranoplan - weird and wonderful. Trust Vostok to make a tribute watch to such an heroic failure, still, I'm glad it hasn't been forgotten.

    Chris - really like the Hamilton. 'Roo-*ss strap looks good too! I bought a Jurgens NATO made from Luftwaffe flight jacket leather (which was quite expensive) for my Sinn 757 UTC but it didn't really work on that watch, which is now on a Di-Modell Tornado which looks like it was made for it - the perfect strap. You might be interested in this thread about the Sinn http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/s...ead.php?t=1457. The Jurgens leather is very thin but that 'Roo looks at least twice as thick. I particularly like that sterile dial.

    Regards

    Jon'.
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    Most of the ones I've seen so far have been brassy with the emblem on the case back. Haven't seen any in exceptional condition other then one on MWR, posted by foilguy. This one is unusual as it doesn't have a bezel and the case back markings are more common to those found on Luftwaffe issued pieces... and if you're wondering case & movement numbers match.

    Here is the link http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30610 and images

    Cheers

    Dan








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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris in Melbourne View Post
    The Hamilton Chrono with the trusty Valjoux 7733 movement issued by the RN, RAF and RAN.



    Here's my Hamilton Royal Navy issue Chrono from 1972. Would love an nice RAN issue example!

    Mine has an inservice swapped 'sterile' dial - love it!

    BTW, what do you think about my goat skin and 'kangaroo ***' NATO strap?

    Kind regards

    Chris
    Hi Chris,
    My Lemania - actually issued to RAN pilot but with a British issue number - says hi!



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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclopath View Post
    Hi Chris,
    My Lemania - actually issued to RAN pilot but with a British issue number - says hi!



    Hi Dave,

    Love your Lemania! Absolutely gorgeous!

    Did it have spring bars in lieu of fixed bars when you got it?

    Kind regards from Melbourne,


    Chris

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    I had one of those... large watch very cool....

    Have a look the other other Military watches here: http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/g...ry.php?cat=509 I have more of an archive somewhere but need to upload them...but I am a slacker!




    and here is the back....




    Quote Originally Posted by EZMone View Post
    Most of the ones I've seen so far have been brassy with the emblem on the case back. Haven't seen any in exceptional condition other then one on MWR, posted by foilguy. This one is unusual as it doesn't have a bezel and the case back markings are more common to those found on Luftwaffe issued pieces... and if you're wondering case & movement numbers match.

    Here is the link http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30610 and images

    Cheers

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    Ooh. Ekranoplan(e)s!

    The Vostok appears to be modelled after the (relatively successful) A-90 Orlyonok. The pic Al posted is of the one-of-a-kind Lun-class GEV - also known as the Hen Harrier or Duck!

    Those eight canard-mounted engines are bonkers - who but the Russians would have designed such a bizarre creature - well, apart from Howard Hughes, I suppose! Mounting missile pods along the back of the 'plane was an interesting idea... perhaps the ATG Archangel watch could take a few design cues from the Lun-Class ekranoplan? Maybe a few bulbous pods dnging from the strap? Or large 'deflecting plate' on the back? A 'ground effect watch' would be for extreme sports use only - as your speed increases, the air is orced under the watch strap, off the deflecting plate, allowing the watch to "hover" above the wrist. This allows the air to cushion / dampen impacts and vibrations. Genius!

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    Hi Chris,
    Yep, it came with spring bars.
    I have a whole lot of "e-provenance" from the guy that sold it to Alistair, on my old computer so I will dig the file out some day and post it up.
    Apparently the guy that had it issued to him got hold of a Certina DS 3 Super PH 1000m that the clearance divers had. Lucky bugger!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EZMone View Post
    Most of the ones I've seen so far have been brassy with the emblem on the case back. Haven't seen any in exceptional condition other then one on MWR, posted by foilguy. This one is unusual as it doesn't have a bezel and the case back markings are more common to those found on Luftwaffe issued pieces... and if you're wondering case & movement numbers match.

    Here is the link http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30610 and images

    Cheers

    Dan







    Curious. So the seller's / auction house's story is that it was taken from the pilot of a Heinkel 111 shot down over the South Downs. Why would a Heinkel 111 be wearing a Kriegsmarine issued watch?

    Who knows? Maybe his brother was a U-Boat captain and they swapped? Maybe he was a KM pilot on loan to the Luftwaffe? Maybe he was in the KM but on the Heinkel to gather intelligence, i.e. for a birds-eye view of what lay in store for the KM when Operation Sealion started? (It's a single pusher cal 40 movement which first appeared in 1940, hence the name cal 40 as opposed to cal 41 for the double pusher movement which appeared in '41).

    If genuine, this must be the earliest known example of a KM Hanhart as it has the cal 40 movement and the plain bezel, before they copied the coin-edge bezel from Tutima, so it could make sense - the only confusing bit is why it was up in the air rather than below the sea?

    A further conundrum is that I thought that these KM marked watches were specially ordered by the KM rather than via a central purchasing depot / department.

    The watch does look like it consists of all Hanhart parts but I guess that doesn't mean that they all left the factory at the same time, yet I gather the movement and caseback numbers match. I suppose the simple answer for the suspicious is that it has just had the dial swapped, . I'll have a look at my source material tonight.

    Most watches that have actually been issued and/or and seen service will probably have been pulled apart and had parts swapped over from other broken watches to repair them when in the QM's stores, although I don't know if these Hanharts would have been repaired in the services or returned to the Hanhart factory. Either way, it's watches like this that differ from known examples which keep it interesting.

    More on Hanharts here http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/s...ead.php?t=1925 and here http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/s...ead.php?t=1525

    Regards

    Jon'.
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    The Ekranoplan - weird and wonderful. Trust Vostok to make a tribute watch to such an heroic failure, still, I'm glad it hasn't been forgotten.

    Regards

    Jon'.[/quote]

    Jon,
    Why do you regard the Ekranoplan as an heroic failure? They worked exactly as designed and smaller non-military versions are in use today. I thought the only issue was that with the fall of the old USSR the military ran out of money? Or were there underlying design issues?

    Has anyone got any experience of the Vostock Ekranoplan tribute? I looked at some reviews but they didn't seem very positive?

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by onespeed View Post
    The Ekranoplan - weird and wonderful. Trust Vostok to make a tribute watch to such an heroic failure, still, I'm glad it hasn't been forgotten.

    Regards

    Jon'.
    Jon,
    Why do you regard the Ekranoplan as an heroic failure? They worked exactly as designed and smaller non-military versions are in use today. I thought the only issue was that with the fall of the old USSR the military ran out of money? Or were there underlying design issues?

    Has anyone got any experience of the Vostock Ekranoplan tribute? I looked at some reviews but they didn't seem very positive?

    Gary[/QUOTE]


    Gary, I was thinking of the "Caspian Sea Monster", the largest type built. Although it is said that the Soviets ran out of money, these "Monsters" suffered from poor longitudinal stabililty which may be the real reason why only three (I think?) were built and even then, those ones had a revised hull design. As you say, the smaller ones are still going strong today so presumably did not suffer the same problem? I think they are wonderful things but destined to be remembered as a sort of Russian "Spruce Goose"?

    Regards

    Jon'.

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