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    Default Dial Lemania SAAF / cal.1872 / Case 816A

    Hello,

    what do you think of the watch below ?

















    The dial and the movement is the same as that SAAF.
    The movement has no serial number !
    The case has the number 816A , the diameter is 38.8mm.



    Thank you in advance for your comments,
    J-Luc

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    Hi J-Luc
    Sorry, it has taken me a while to get to this, my apologies.
    And I am not sure I will be adding to your already considerable knowledge, but:

    I agree it looks just like a SAAF type 1 dial, and perhaps I might comment that the lume looks quite green, something I have previously taken to be a sign of an old dial long stored and not subjected to much light.
    That dial was also used by the asymmetric cased British issued Lemania chronos powered by the 1872 - and these still crop up (3 have been recently listed on Ebay, 2 from Charnwood watches who have a regular Lemania stock of stuff). It is an issued dial.
    The case is clearly not correct for SAAF, and looks near identical to this mystery one posted here by Lars a while back. Even though that had a model code 617 and this one 816A. I have no problem that it may be a Lemania case, but not intended for this dial, I think. I also have nothing to suggest that this case design is an issued one. It also looks phemoninally new and unused, the edges are crisp and sharp, and there is almost zero metallic degradation or even dirt to the pusher bodies.
    The bezel is a familiar style, printed directly onto alloy, but not a style seen on SAAF watches.
    The main hands are correct and skinnier than Omega alternatives.
    The movement also looks NOS, and never had a number, by the look of it.

    So overall it is a very attractive watch. Using genuine parts that are mostly intended to be used together.
    However, it has a problem.
    It has a dial with a military origin.
    And it certainly never went anywhere near the military in any official sense.
    And that makes it a franken, and problematic as a result.

    My Selectron is an interesting counterpoint here.
    This one



    This also uses components identical to ones used in military Lemanias.
    But, it is not military.
    And it does not have one part that IS from a military watch.
    As a result this Selectron is a much more honest watch, originally assembled as seen, not assembled some (or many) years after the parts were made.

    Would you care to comment on my remarks J-Luc?? I am open to all suggstions

    Dave
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Hi Dave,
    a big thank you for your answer ! and your research.

    This confirms my thoughts.
    All parts are like new !

    But case with ref. 816 A before 817 and why A ? and movement without serial number, made me think of possibly a prototype.

    Congratulation for your Selectron, very beautiful !


    Excuse my englisch, mistake.

    Best, J-Luc

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    Well, he missing serial number made me think prototype or a replacement bridge part in that location.
    And the case designation is known, and this one and this use the same reference, have the same bezel and in are the same model of Meylan.
    It may be that the A designates the version with a bezel, and no A means a plain case. Not sure, but the case definitely saw production.
    D
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    This one has hit chrono24 by the way. Link.

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    And one of the Selectrons too
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveS View Post
    Hi J-Luc
    Sorry, it has taken me a while to get to this, my apologies.
    And I am not sure I will be adding to your already considerable knowledge, but:

    I agree it looks just like a SAAF type 1 dial, and perhaps I might comment that the lume looks quite green, something I have previously taken to be a sign of an old dial long stored and not subjected to much light.
    That dial was also used by the asymmetric cased British issued Lemania chronos powered by the 1872 - and these still crop up (3 have been recently listed on Ebay, 2 from Charnwood watches who have a regular Lemania stock of stuff). It is an issued dial.
    The case is clearly not correct for SAAF, and looks near identical to this mystery one posted here by Lars a while back. Even though that had a model code 617 and this one 816A. I have no problem that it may be a Lemania case, but not intended for this dial, I think. I also have nothing to suggest that this case design is an issued one. It also looks phemoninally new and unused, the edges are crisp and sharp, and there is almost zero metallic degradation or even dirt to the pusher bodies.
    The bezel is a familiar style, printed directly onto alloy, but not a style seen on SAAF watches.
    The main hands are correct and skinnier than Omega alternatives.
    The movement also looks NOS, and never had a number, by the look of it.

    So overall it is a very attractive watch. Using genuine parts that are mostly intended to be used together.
    However, it has a problem.
    It has a dial with a military origin.
    And it certainly never went anywhere near the military in any official sense.
    And that makes it a franken, and problematic as a result.

    My Selectron is an interesting counterpoint here.
    This one



    This also uses components identical to ones used in military Lemanias.
    But, it is not military.
    And it does not have one part that IS from a military watch.
    As a result this Selectron is a much more honest watch, originally assembled as seen, not assembled some (or many) years after the parts were made.

    Would you care to comment on my remarks J-Luc?? I am open to all suggstions

    Dave
    Hi Dave, Which part is the one NOT from the military model? The crown? Thank

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    Sorry, you misunderstand me. The OP watch has a military dial, the Pheon (broadarrow) is a military signature that does not belong on any non-military watch. That sign signifies military ownership. As such, and without markings elsewhere, the OP watch is a definite franken, with a military dial put into a civilian case and movement.
    The Selectron has not one military part in it. All the parts are original, and belong to a non-military watch, albeit one with exactly the same specification as a military one.
    As such it is more honest and complete and original example
    D
    If it's Lemania-powered, I'm interested. Tool Chrono - interested. Dive Chrono - interested. Interesting - interested

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